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Local Districts Aren’t Rushing To Add Bible Courses Save Email Print
Reporter: By Matt Felder
Email Address: matt.felder@kwtx.com

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(July 21, 2008)—The State Board of Education gave the green light for elective Bible courses to be offered Texas high schools Friday, but administrators in some school districts in Central Texas say don't expect those courses to show up in the classroom come August.

One reason is the guidelines approved are vague, with school districts left to figure out and design their own courses.

This leaves schools in the area choosing to take a wait and see approach, in hopes of avoiding any constitutional conflicts.

The 2007 Legislature passed a law allowing Bible courses to be offered as an elective, focused on the history and literature of the Bible, without preaching or disparaging any faith.

Only 50 high schools across the state currently offer a Bible-based course.

Belton High School has offered one as an English elective for the past five years.

Using the Bible as a textbook, the course combines literature with history and geography to enhance reading, writing and research skills, which is one model other school districts may look to when creating their own.

"So that if and when, we implement it here, we can learn from what they're going and we can borrow some of they're good practices," Temple ISD spokesperson Regina Baird said.

The problem is, the newly adopted guidelines aren't exactly concrete, leaving schools to choose and design their own Bible curriculum.

Attorney General Greg Abbott says the standards look to be in-line with the first amendment, but his office can't guarantee the courses taught in high schools will be constitutional because they haven't been reviewed, which is one reason many districts are taking a wait and see approach.

"We do not want to create a Bible class that either promotes the religious views of teachers or students or disparages those views,” Copperas Cove Deputy Superintendent Bobby Ott said.

“And we do not want to be deemed unconstitutional."

Plus, with the upcoming year, right around the corner, there is simply not enough time to design a whole new course, before the doors open in August.

"We're not going to try and add it this year because our course catalog has already been printed and it's already been distributed to students,” Baird said.

“It's already online, but it is something we're watching as a potential for this next school year."

The Texas House Public Education Committee did urge the Board of Education to approve specific guidelines, but because it didn't, the door to constitutional violations and lawsuits may be wide open, if school districts aren't careful how they design their bible courses.

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Posted by: Jessica Location: China Spring on Jul 23, 2008 at 01:53 PM
Oh, and if there weren't many (any) in Texas, wouldn't they be protected?? But yet they aren't?? We called the game warden and he said shoot them because they had tried to take a bull down, slash our neighbors dog, and carried off a full grown lab. Our game warden said that since it is attacking larger animals that they COULD possibly attack a child, so shoot them. This was a couple of years ago.

Posted by: Teresa Location: Texas on Jul 23, 2008 at 12:11 PM
When I went to Baylor about 10 years ago, I had to take an Old Testament course and a New Testament course. Not being Baptist and firmly entrenched in my religon, I was more than a bit apprehensive about taking the courses. I was assured by my advisor that it was not a religon course in the true sense of the word. It was meant to be a history course. And he was right! I dare say that my Old Testament course was my favorite at Baylor. We compared the various symbols of Christianity with those of mythology. Certain rituals of Christianity were compared with other rituals of other cultures. I was fascinated and once I started putting two and two together, I learned why my own religion does some of the things it does. I firmly believe, if taught correctly, a bible course can be taught without teaching any particular type of religion. I'm all for that. However, if I had not taken the courses at Baylor, I know that I would still believe this could only be set up as a religion class.

Posted by: Jim Beam Whiskey on Jul 23, 2008 at 12:05 PM
When my daughter is old enough, she'll learn about the Bible in Sunday School for sure. In a public school, though? No. Too many fundies out there for me to be comfortable with that. Hopefully we can afford to send her to a mainline or catholic private school and avoid the whole thing.

Posted by: LN Location: Robinson on Jul 23, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Dale: I beg to differ. True Christians do NOT try to kill everyone that does not agree with Christianity. And in this country it is happening? You have got to be kidding. Take a breath. This country was founded on a basic level of Christianity. We are not force feeding it to anyone. And as for your trying to put peer pressure on kids who do not take the course, that can be reversed too. The kids who take the courses can be called holy rollers or whatever. Remember, as long as there are tests, there will be prayer!

Posted by: saddened Location: Gatesville on Jul 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Everyone on both sides of this discusiion needs to take a break and read a book entitled "Rachel's Tears. It is an account of Rachel Scott's life, and for those of you who do not know who she is, she was killed at Columbine High School because of her religious beliefs. It gives insight into a true Christian's heart, as well as the non-Christian's who executed her. Christians and non-Christians alike should read this account. Our country may not be in the condition it is if more people read this book.

Posted by: anonymous Location: Austin on Jul 23, 2008 at 08:44 AM
A long time ago prayer was taken out of our schools and once that happened, we began to see a decline in morals and society. Some will think that is hogwash but the same people who think that are the reason we are where we are today. I say to all who want to fuss about this, bring it on. Time for all of us to stand for what is right. The Lord said if you deny me, I will deny you and to the Patriot, you are correct, our country was founded on Christian principles. I guess all you have to do is look at what is happening in our society today and you can see what happened after God was booted out. What I am wondering is where are the born-again pastors who are responsible for the multitudes and where are the revivals? Jesus is still on the throne

Posted by: CAPT FRED Location: WACO on Jul 23, 2008 at 08:01 AM
I was going to throw my two cents worth in, but, you know what... I think this is going to get real interesting. So, I'm just going to sit back and watch how this whole thing plays out. Pull up a chair and grab yourself some popcorn folks, the show is about to begin!

Posted by: The Patriot Location: Texas on Jul 23, 2008 at 07:10 AM
Taxpayer in Elgin, apparently you are a muslim. Our country was founded on Christianty NOT Islam so feel free to move to Iran. To Dale, who's a radical Christian? What denomination straps bombs on themselves and commits suicide in the name of Christianity?? When I was in highschool, bible courses were taught as an elective "without" denomination influence. No one was "branded" anything if they chose not to take the course. The Puritans came to here to escape the discontent in the Church of England that was riddled with societal reforms, political struggles and man-made doctrines. The exact thing you're spewing now. And Diablo, you are in the book from the very beginning with Adam and Eve! lol

Posted by: taxpayer Location: elgin on Jul 23, 2008 at 02:23 AM
All the discussion seems to be about the course being an elective rather than a requirement. That's not what our objections are about. Our Texas Constitution prohibits public (taxpayer) funding for religious activities, institutions and causes. Yet, I'll still have to pay for the bible course without regard to my own religious beliefs. It's only fair that courses covering the sacred texts of all religions be offered as elective courses in all Texas high schools. I can hardly wait for the course on the Quran. Quran not your cup of tea? You'll still have to pay for it with your taxes. Are you willing to do that? Why aren't you encouraging your houses of worship to teach teens about the bible for an hour every day after public school lets out? Oh, yeah...the parents don't want their children learning about the bible. If they did, they'd take their kids to church. Literature? History? Neither! It's thinly disguised proselytizing on the public dole. And it's unconstitutional.

Posted by: Dale Location: Texas on Jul 23, 2008 at 02:07 AM
LN, regarding your last sentence. The same is true for radical Christians. They are firmly entrenched in the fact that anyone who doesn't believe as them should be killed. They are also in a holy war, and impatient. Most people in this country don't understand this and they surely don't understand what is being done here. It is basically and end-around on the Constitution. If you really want to solve the problem, then all public schools should be abolished, all tax money collected for such should be returned to the taxpayer, and all schools should be converted to religous institutions of higher learning and parents pay for their kids to attend with the tax money they get back from the state.

Posted by: Dale Location: Texas on Jul 23, 2008 at 12:24 AM
I said nothing about the course. I don't have to. School is hard enough without making it worse. Do you know how long it takes an ELECTIVE to become mandatory? Do you know how many kids in school are going to be branded atheist or heathens or pagans because they chose not to take the ELECTIVE course? As I read most of these comments, not one of you could conduct this course without inflicting your own personal viewpoint on a class. Kelsa, throw out that English Bible translation and get the King James version. If everyone wrote like that, we'd never understand anyone again. Do we use the King James version, the original jewish version, or include all the books the King James version left out? I got my religious training at home. I was taught to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Today, it's do it to others before they can do it to you. And, the Puritans (Pilgrims) came to this country for religous freedom in the 1600s.

Posted by: Kelsa Location: Waco on Jul 22, 2008 at 09:22 PM
First of all, some of you may have better spelling and grammar skills if you had been afforded the opportunity to take a Bible class in school. Second, it is an ELECTIVE course. ELECTIVE means a student has a choice, so nothing is being forced on our students. The Bible is a great source of historical information. I stand behind districts who are waiting as it is late to implement another class. I do hope students are given this choice eventually as I think some would really enjoy it.

Posted by: Lory on Jul 22, 2008 at 08:42 PM
A few years ago I would have said that looking at the Bible as literature and history without "religious/faith/doctrine teaching" would be impossible. However, after reading Robert Alter's "The Art of Biblical Narrative", I have a whole new appreciation for the allegory, themes, parallelism and other literary devices found in the biblical narratives. It is amazing to see the way the writers crafted the story to include such elements. Can such a course in biblical texts be taught without regard to personal religious convictions? I do not know. However, I do know that the text lends itself to much discussion in the modern core areas of public school curriculum such as literature, history, sociology, and anthropology. Only time will tell if such courses are an enhancement to the core subject areas.

Posted by: LN Location: Robinson on Jul 22, 2008 at 05:22 PM
I think it is great they are doing this. I also think that it should be an elective like it is. If you want to take it, fine. If not, then that is fine too. No lawsuit because you were forced to learn about religion. Considering the state of this nation I wonder if we should make it mandatory though. The radical Islamists think that anyone who doesn't believe as them should be killed. So they are in a holy war, and patient. Something most people in this country, as well as others, do not understand.

Posted by: El Diablo Location: Hell on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:57 PM
I can't think of many mortals who are qualified to teach Christianity. Leave these matters to the family. We're bad off enough trying to teach our kids math. But it would be nice to see my name in print...hahahahahaha. Hope you guess my name!!!

Posted by: get real Location: here on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:49 PM
The Bible courses are an ELECTIVE. You don't have to take it if you don't want to. E., Anonymous and Dale need to look up the meaning of elective course. Don't have a flippin heart attack! You or your kids will not have to take a bible class to graduate and no one will be sticking a gun to your head to make you take it! Sheesh... get real!

Posted by: Ray Location: Waco on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:21 PM
Thank God, If this was taught along time ago and people lived by it we would not have the problems we have these days. This is AMERICA founded on the BIBLE not any other religious writeings or teachings LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.

Posted by: Holly Location: Belton on Jul 22, 2008 at 03:22 PM
I dont understand what all the fuss is about. Our society does not make a big deal out of teaching evolution or other scientific theories. We do not object to embracing philosophical points of view differnt from those of our founding fathers. Why is everyone so fearful of the Truth? Everyone has a choice. It seems that more people are trying to eliminate Christianity as a choice. I say that is unconstitutional. If you were a student at the high school level you have a choice when selecting your "elective courses". Whether you elect to take a biblical course or P.E, the option to enroll in these courses should still be provided. I hope that we can be more open-minded and not harden our hearts towards God.

Posted by: E. on Jul 22, 2008 at 02:04 PM
thats right not in high school get em while there young and being forced to say or read something does not make better people school is for giveing kids the tools they need like finding information and math but faith should start and stay at home bringing religion in to school so now the jewish kids and the cathlics and the christens now have something new to fight over and hey lets not forget the godless masses who want nothing better to beat down those who have a beleif simply becouse they do not yea good idea

Posted by: Anonymous Location: killen on Jul 22, 2008 at 04:06 AM
I don't think that bible classes should be taught at the high school level, to many people have their own veiw of the bible and I believe it will only bring their own thoughts into the leasons and cause a ill felling amoungs some of the people involved.

Posted by: Dale Location: Texas on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:23 AM
I don't care how you slice it, dice it, or dress it up. You are still teaching Christian religion based on the Bible. It may not have happened in Belton, but I would expect the first challenge to be a lawsuit requiring the use of the Quaran in a religious-based high school course. Like it or not, someone is going to sue.

Posted by: Dave Location: Waco on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:09 AM
They've been promoting the religious views of Darwin for the past 60 years,

Posted by: anonymous Location: Austin on Jul 21, 2008 at 07:53 PM
Just start at Genesis. The bible will speak for itself. After all, it is the Living Word of God. Now if school prayer gets back in, maybe our young people will once again get back on track and and have a purpose in life. It can't happen soon enough. Very exciting and we all will be blessed.

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