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(August 25, 2008)--Students in the tiny Harrold School District in North Texas started school Monday wondering which teachers were carrying guns.

Adam Lira, 17-year old senior, said it was kind of awkward knowing some teachers were carrying guns.

"I don't feel like they should be cause we already have locked doors and cameras. But I didn't feel threatened by it,” he said.

While some parents said they felt their children were safer under the policy allowing some employees to carry concealed weapons, others opposed the plan.

Several parents said they had no idea that school employees were allowed to carry concealed guns on campus until recent publicity about the school board's policy, approved quietly last fall.

They said they were upset that the rural community near the Oklahoma border had not been able to offer their input.

Harrold Superintendent David Thweatt said the board approved the policy in an October open meeting that had been publicized.

He said the decision was made after nearly two years of researching the best school security options.

There are 110 students attending the red brick Harrold School.


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Posted by: Capt Fred Location: Waco on Aug 28, 2008 at 02:29 PM
I am seeing (reading) a lot of bickering and bantering back and forth in the comments about this subject. I would like to suggest a few positive things related to this matter: 1) This school, having only 110 students ranging from K through 12th Grade, quite possible does not have a propensity for student violence; 2) With all of national publicity, the likelihood of ANYBODY attempting ANY harm to these students is virtually zero, because they already know the staff is armed and trained how to shoot them, and 3) An ounce of PREVENTION is worth a POUND of cure. On a somewhat different note… When SECONDS count, the police are only THIRTY MINUTES away, as in this case.

Posted by: LN Location: Robinson on Aug 28, 2008 at 04:49 AM
Mom: I understood who you were talking about. And yes, my answer is the same and stands as is. You cannot run around in life with the fearful "what if" attitude all the time. Seize the day and quit hiding from the criminals and go forth and get them. It is a different mindset than hiding from them and letting somebody else do the dirty work. That is one of the huge problems in this country right now. NO ONE wants to stand up and do anything other than gripe about how bad things are. Well balderdash! If you see crime, stop it. Call the cops, get plate numbers. Quit relying on the nanny state to do everything and do what you are able to do within your own capabilities. And with one kid who is a Marine and the other fixing to be Air Force I think they understand it too.

Posted by: Wisest one of All Location: Earth on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Well Citizen, if the teacher has a permit he or she will already know how to shoot and when to do. They do have to get a permit. As to the message they are send it may be this: when some criminal IGNORES the gun free zone there is a possibility that you may not be a shooting statistic because a teacher may have the possibility of protecting you.

Posted by: Katarina Location: Waco on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:34 PM
To Kim: I never claimed to be perfect! I simply stated instead of you always bashing others for misspelling their words or writing in slang, You should make sure your not making a misspelled calculation of the words you want others to read.See even you can make mistakes that others will catch especially when you make arrogant corrections about how they spell or use slang that many others who get on here to leave their comments understand exactly what they are saying in words whether correct proper English or Street slang, Some of us do understand what is being said!! I apparently hit a nerve in correcting you!!

Posted by: Kenneth Location: Waco on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:56 PM
To Kim. Sorry, but please provide examples!!! You keep claiming this but nada. This is one of the same paranoid arguments because concealed carry went into effect. So, since you must know of these examples since you are stating "it CAN and DOES happen!!" where is some proof? Back up your claims.

Posted by: Mom Location: Texas on Aug 27, 2008 at 05:31 PM
I said your child getting shot... just as Citizen said.. an innocent child in the line of fire.. not the teacher. It's not the teacher's I'm worried about (so NO not a hypocrite). If there is a fight at school and there is a huge group of kids and just one kid knows that the teacher trying to break up a fight is carrying a gun, gets it from the teacher and starts blasting other kids. That's what my fear is. I'm sure you would be the one crying foul if it happened to be your child that was shot. What I'm asking is, would you then be ok with it like you are now?

Posted by: LN Location: Robinson on Aug 27, 2008 at 01:02 PM
Mom in Texas @ 7:52 am: I sure would be glad if a teacher was carrying weapon in school where my child attended. If they were shot "protecting" my child then so be it. I would much rather have that happen than have them shot like fish in a barrel when some idiot killer walked in the door. At least they would have a chance of walking out alive, unlike if the teachers were not armed. You people against having the teachers armed are pulling out the same old tired arguements that were raised when the CCW law in every single state that has one, which is 41 states now, was proposed. After many years of data that is required by most states, including Texas, your fears and justification for trying to continue this nanny state un-reality is unfounded and incorrect. There comes a point in life where you MUST take care of yourself. 911 is a long way off when you are under duress. Sit still for 4 minutes while you wait for the cops. A lot of people can be killed in that time. Sheeesh!

Posted by: CITIZEN Location: central tx on Aug 27, 2008 at 12:55 PM
What's going to happen when the first teacher has to use their weapon defending themselves or protecting their students? What innocent child will be in the line of fire and lose their life? If a student is not allowed to even carry a cell phone or pocket knife, what gives the teachers the right to carry a weapon so deadly, that could change the lives of many people. Schools need to think about the message they are sending to their students.

Posted by: Kim Location: Waco on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:39 AM
To Me: FYI, I don't have a "little thug", and to Katrina, no one is perfect, but at least my post made sense, unlike some people on here. Take a look in the mirror one of these days? Are you perfect?? I didn't think so! And to Kenneth: Anyone can overpower someone else when they are enraged or just plain crazy, that was my point, paranoid or not, it CAN and DOES happen!!!

Posted by: Kenneth Location: Waco on Aug 27, 2008 at 11:17 AM
To Mom. Yes, it would be OK, much like I don't have a problem with police being armed and protecting my children. It would be no different, so you are incorrect. I guess you have so little faith in the teachers. Are you afraid they are going to "go postal"? If so I still await the wild west shootouts in the streets that the panic mongers claimed would happen when the CHL law was first passed. You are probably just like Kim and can't find the bloodbaths either. What other concern might you have about the teacher??? And if you really feel that way about the teachers teaching your kids why do you let them go to school. If it is that dangersous.... Or are you a hypocrite. Either it is that dangerous and you do whatever you have to to protect your children or else it is not that dangerous and you are paranoid.

Posted by: Dave Location: Waco on Aug 27, 2008 at 10:57 AM
They teach evolution in the public schools. (Nature's way of the survival of the fittest is the fittest killing the non-fittest)

Posted by: not here Location: ?? on Aug 27, 2008 at 09:44 AM
lol....you people are funny!!

Posted by: Mom Location: Texas on Aug 27, 2008 at 07:52 AM
So, for all of you that think it's ok for teachers to carry a gun... Would it be ok if it was your child that was shot at school while the teacher was "protecting"? I guess it would be different then, right? Add security guards at the schools, add detectors at the main door where everyone enters.

Posted by: Don Location: Texas on Aug 27, 2008 at 06:13 AM
The best solution is to give every criminal the death penalty, line them up in front of a firing squad, and shoot. You know, the Nazi method. For the bloggers who said the teachers in this case are "checked to the nines", yeah sure. That's what they said about all the teachers who committed sexual predatory acts against students too. I'm going to wait and see what happens when the first teacher shoots a student. Then everyone will be singing a different tune.

Posted by: Me Location: Central Texas on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:49 PM
I'm guessing Kim has a little thug on her hands and doesn't want him/her to get shot.

Posted by: wyatt j Location: tex on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:54 PM
to S: Dr gracia-hupp had a weapon but since she was a LAW-ABIDIng citizen, she left it in her car because at the time we were still many years from the law making it legal to carry a concealed weapon! If she had had possession of her weapon inside luby's that day, we all know that she would have been able to prevent a lot of deaths! She tirelessly helped promote the current law allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons and get it passed! In fact i believe thats what inspired her to run for office as she lost both of her parents that day! I applaud her and hope that the bible-thumping folks that think prayer and understanding will help the criminals dont get their way and have it taken away! Its a shame that our society has come to this but it is necesary! Also these teachers have to go through extensive training to be able to carry at the school. More training than is required just to get the permit! oh and im a liberal well mostly anyways!

Posted by: S Location: Robinson on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Does anyone remember the massacre at Luby's in Killeen on October 16, 1991? Well, I do. George Hennard of Belton drove his truck through a window of the restaurant and started shooting people at point blank range. If someone in Luby's had been carrying a gun that day, then perhaps this madman could have been stopped before he murdered 24 people. I know it is hard for some "narrow minded" folks to comprehend but sometimes a gun can actually save lives.

Posted by: Wisest one of All Location: Earth on Aug 26, 2008 at 04:12 PM
Kim. That is precisely WHY TO CARRY. When a student goes nuts you shoot him to protect yourself. That way there is no overpowering of anybody.

Posted by: Katarina Location: Waco on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:41 PM
To Kim, who made you grammar police, I see your always posting comments about others grammar, You really should proof read before you post: What is a student goes nuts & overpowers a teacher that has a gun, I wonder if you meant what if ?? So there now you need to proof read before you post also!! Some of you people that make comments are hilarious!!!

Posted by: Kenneth Location: Waco on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:31 PM
Sorry Kim. As LN described that same logic can be applied to police. Don't like that one. OK, it can be applied to concealed carry holders since the law went into effect. Please show me where criminals have overpowered the permit holder??? Can't do it can you? Remain paranoid, Kim.

Posted by: huh? Location: central texas on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:05 PM
LN you do have a valid point about the police officers, but they are trained to deal with hand-to-hand combat & weapons safety and therefore stand a better chance of taking down the person trying to take their weapon. But if you take a gun, give it to anyone without any special training, your asking for a bad accident. This article does not address the "weapons training" the teachers may/may not have had but still...

Posted by: LN Location: Robinson on Aug 26, 2008 at 01:00 PM
Kim: With that logic let's take it a little further. What happens when a criminal overpowers a police officer and gets their gun? You can't be afraid and go around going "what if" your entire life. Criminals and illegal activity must be hit head on, with force, to keep it in check. That is all bullies and criminals understand. That is one reason we are in trouble with so much crime in parts of our country today. The liberals have gone all wimpy and forbidden all kinds of punishment so we can "understand" the criminal. I understand them. They are too lazy to work and get a real job or education and would rather sponge off of societies weakest.

Posted by: huh? Location: central texas on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:49 AM
I'm suprised to hear they are "packing heat" when there are only 110 students. There's gotta be something missing from this story. Can the teachers not control only 110 kids? Besides, I thought the whole point of security was to keep guns OUT of schools. Now all a kid has to do is overpower a teacher and go Columbine on everyone.

Posted by: Capt Fred Location: Waco on Aug 26, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Okay, time for a little sarcasm… To “concerned” in “central texas”: Since there are “not that many kids in school” is it okay for a criminal who is ILLEGALLY carrying a concealed gun to go in and kill “not that many kids” since the teachers aren’t allowed to LEGALLY carry a concealed gun to protect them? ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

Posted by: Kim Location: Waco on Aug 26, 2008 at 10:11 AM
Candy?? You again? See you haven't learned proper grammar yet. On the gun issue, don't think it is a good idea, what is a student goes nuts and overpowers a teacher that has a gun? THEN what would happen??

Posted by: Marlin Location: Texas on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Sadly, the antigun crowd will never learn and will ALWAYS start the "Wild West Shootout", "Nuts Shooting Everyone", and "Afraid of Gun Owners" bull. They NEVER stop to think that the criminals already carry concealed onto school grounds, in post offices, and anywhere else. Duh, they are criminals and DO NOT OBEY LAWS! That's why they are called criminals (OUTLAWS). So someone is afraid of anyone who is licensed to carry concealed after the CCW holder has been trained, checked out to the nines, and has decided to be the one to protect their kids! I guess these parents must trust the criminals and want them to be the only ones armed. That way they KNOW that the TEACHERS who are licensed cannot defend the kids, or in the minds of those parents "shoot the students". Give me a break! These licensed citizens are no more likely to go postal than the parents who are afraid, actually these CCW holders are LESS LIKELY than 99% of the public to break laws of any kind, including shooting kids!

Posted by: Bob Location: Belton on Aug 26, 2008 at 09:43 AM
LN I agree with you, but lets take it one step farther. Get rid of Concealed Carry and do like many other states where you carry in the open. Ask any police officer and they will tell you the same.

Posted by: dad Location: hewitt on Aug 26, 2008 at 08:53 AM
STUPID!!!!

Posted by: CFN2 Location: Robinson on Aug 26, 2008 at 07:39 AM
Amen! Best idea i've heard yet. LN you hit the nail on the head.

Posted by: LN Location: Robinson on Aug 26, 2008 at 07:21 AM
Candy: Carrying a firearm into the post office has been illegal for many years. Why do you think they go there? Because it is gun free. Schools have been given the same "rights" to be gun free zones. And what happened when that law was written? Our schools became killing zones because the criminals knew there would be no resistance and there would be plenty of victims handy. If the killers were all that brave why don't they go to a police station and start shooting everyone? Because the cops will start shooting back! These killers are just idiots who are extreme cowards. Take away their killing fields and they then have nowhere to go to kill a bunch of people.

Posted by: D Location: Waco on Aug 26, 2008 at 05:34 AM
I agree it's a good thing. Sad that we've gotten to this point in society.

Posted by: Candy Location: Waco on Aug 26, 2008 at 03:25 AM
Yea thats good until the first teacher goes nuts and kills his or her students than we will see how good this is Kinda like the post office

Posted by: concerned Location: central texas on Aug 25, 2008 at 11:25 PM
There are not that many kids in the school; why do they need guns? Are all the kids bad or something? That is kinda scary to me.

Posted by: LN Location: Robinson on Aug 25, 2008 at 08:36 PM
This is a good thing. Now maybe the legislature will approve all CCW permitees the same rights.

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