Student Tells BU Officials “Noose” Was Actually Intended As Swing
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(November 13, 2008)--A Baylor student who admitted responsibility for hanging a rope with a loop in a tree that was believed to have been a noose has told officials the rope was intended to be a swing, the university said Thursday. The incident may have helped spark an angry verbal confrontation between black and white students on election night.

The student, who was not identified, met with Baylor police Wednesday, according to a statement that Interim Baylor President David Garland sent to students, faculty and staff on Thursday.

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“The student explained that he had been spending time with a group of friends on Fountain Mall the evening before the election and had discovered a rope he believed to have been from one of the tents used during the university’s homecoming activities,” Garland said.

“The students thought they could use the rope to create a rope swing. The students tied one end of the rope to a limb of the tree and tied the other end in a loop from which they attempted to swing. Later they abandoned the swing.

“The students strongly deny that the rope was intended to mimic a noose or to convey a message of any sort,” Garland said.

Male and female students who were involved in the incident have met with student leaders who are planning a unity march scheduled for 9 a.m. Friday, Garland said.

“I’m told that student leaders expressed appreciation for their courage in coming forward and understood the incident as an unfortunate misunderstanding,” Garland said.

Garland said police have identified and spoken to “a number of students” who were involved in the verbal altercation on election night outside Penland Hall.

Baylor police earlier determined that what some students claimed were Obama-Biden campaign posters found burning in a barbecue pit near a campus housing complex were actually computer boxes.

“While we are all eager to move beyond the events of the past 10 days and the negative light they have cast over our campus, this experience also calls our attention to the challenges that remain before us,” Garland said.

“Relentless pursuit of campus unity is a work to which we must continue to commit ourselves if we are to truly embody our unique calling as a Christian university in the Baptist tradition,” he said.

Baylor University Web Site

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Posted by: Alum Location: Texas on Nov 17, 2008 at 03:24 PM
it was a "diverse" group of people that came forward. It didn't even look like a noose and one kid cut it down (and for some reason EVERYONE is trusting his story but NO ONE is trusting the story of a GROUP of people). It's like people WANT it to be a hate crime...that's a good way to create unite...

Posted by: Texas Location: Texas on Nov 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Black people are racist in the simple fact that everytime something happens they cream racism from every street corner and to ANY news media who will listen. They incite mob mentality and No ONE can tell them anything to the contrary on ANY issue. Black people have a college fund JUST for black students, not to mention an awards show just for black entertainers. How would it look if white people had a white only scholorship fund or entertainment show? Racist much?

Posted by: j_gonzo Location: waco on Nov 16, 2008 at 10:06 AM
...lol .... a swing "REALLY" .... OK WE GET IT A COVER UP .... just be honest were used to cover ups ... but a swing come on all that education and yall came up with a swing .... o yea i loved the idea of trying to bring the OBAMA LIBARARY TO BAYLOR .... U KNOW WE DID NOT LAND THE OUTHER DUMB ASSES LIBRARY ...

Posted by: spidey Location: waco on Nov 15, 2008 at 09:00 PM
all this race talk, what is it getting anyone? these kids are doing just what kids do, acting ignorant. smart, hell no. thinking, i think not! but racial....NO!

Posted by: growup on Nov 15, 2008 at 08:36 PM
come on KWTX pull this post. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion and these morons will do anything to drag it on...

Posted by: Tina Location: Elm Mott on Nov 15, 2008 at 07:55 PM
"my 2 cents" although Mcain did win the Texas vote, Texas is a part of the United States who in popular and electorial votes chose Obama. We the people of the United States of America.

Posted by: deanna Location: bracciale on Nov 15, 2008 at 07:52 PM
My goodness, has everyone who is crying about this being a race issue forgotten that Obama is half white? It seems that white people are not the ones making this a race issue!!!!!!

Posted by: Rachel Location: Temple on Nov 15, 2008 at 07:23 PM
I find it interesting that there hasn't been a "swing" before that made the news. Did Baylor officials REALLY think the student was going to say "sure it was a noose" We all know that gays don't go to Baylor and Baylor girls don't get abortions (Anyone remember those controversies)?

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 15, 2008 at 03:42 PM
I hate to tell you NuNu but it wasn't black people that voted Obama in, the majority of voters were white. So it's you that needs to get over it.

Posted by: Betty Location: Moody on Nov 15, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Do I smell another coverup by Baylor?? Yes!!!

Posted by: My 2 cents Location: 1 cent after taxes on Nov 15, 2008 at 09:48 AM
The students that said Obama did not win Texas were correct. McCain won all 34 of our electoral votes and 55.5 of the popular vote with Obama at only 43.8. The black student in the video says she knew as soon as she saw the rope, that it wasn't a noose. She explains that the hole (loop) was way too big to be a noose. Yet, the evening anchor, Collier, was trying to put his own political spin and drum up more controversy by implying to the viewers that the McCain supporting students were all lying. Why such a biased comment from a heart of Texas seasoned anchor? And one more thing, presidents pick their home-states to have their presidental libraries, so any university in Texas would be out of question for Obama.

Posted by: nunu Location: temple on Nov 15, 2008 at 06:07 AM
Mike are you seriously talking about black people blame white people every chance they get it's note that we blame yall honey it's just that white people continues to say and do racial cramp. White people need to get over the fact that OBAMA won dang. Get over it. MIke said we can't forget about the past some might but guess what MIKEY blacks can look forward to the future... OBAMA Again whtie people get over it and move on before someone get really hurt over OBAMA being the president yall can't change it soooooooo why fight over it yall lost this one..

Posted by: Citizen Location: Killeen, Texas on Nov 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM
The "Noose" issue was not the only thing that happened , there was a fight after the celebration of the Obama and some students stated that Obama did not win Texas, now this was on the news but also that which was not on the news is that the N word was said and a fight broke out. So the issue was only one event amoung most likely brief events. Baylor is a great school but in society we have individuals that have been taught bad habits from their parents. We so they should be should deal with the issue before it happens again in other ways under cover and look the other way. I pray nothing else happens there are great kids at that Institution.

Posted by: El Diablo Location: Hell on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM
It's like I once (or twice) told my parents..."that? oh, that's not a noose. it's a swing. and that stuff? it aint weed. oh, wait. it IS weed. but it belongs to my friend. i'm just keeping it for him or her."

Posted by: Concerned citizen Location: Killeen on Nov 14, 2008 at 05:50 PM
Heart-Of-Texas you are an idiot. Why would you even insinuate that people in Waco would know how to make a real noose. If it is a swing, why did you try it out and see if it works!

Posted by: player of the year Location: Waco,Tx on Nov 14, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Come on. I hate it when somebody insults my intelligence. What a quick cover up. Baylor is already under fire for not being able to keep a college president. Baylor isn't becoming the elite university that Baylor people had hoped for, and now this comes along. They absolutely had to figure a way out of this one. Some people might buy it, but I don't. I have an idea though. Whoever came up with the idea to go along with the "it wasn't a noose it was a swing" idea, he or she should be Baylor's new president. People can say what they want about Texas A&M, but they make good choices of college presidents. A former CIA director? Let's see Baylor pull off something like that. I have another idea. Baylor faithful, why don't you start lobbying now for the Obama Presidential Library? Now that would be some good PR. George Bush lives right up the road, and your supposed credentials couldn't even land a George W. Bush Library. Wake up Baylor. You're going down the wrong path.

Posted by: anonymous Location: mexia on Nov 14, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Why does everyone have to make a big deal out of nothing? Even if it was a racial thing its no worse then all the text messages that i keep getting!

Posted by: George Location: Temple on Nov 14, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Hey we have noose hanging in a tree at our local swimming hole, even has a steering wheel tied to it, never been on the news though..

Posted by: Anonymous Location: WACO on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:53 PM
LAST TIME I CHECK A SWING AND A NOOSE LOOK NOTHING ALIKE?????????????????????????

Posted by: Anonymous on Nov 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM
i'm not suprised. with all the people making such a fuss about it, i figured something had to be "up" since absolutely no one bothered to take a picture of it - not even w/ a camera phone. it was either a noose or it wasnt. a simple loop in a rope is NOT a noose. wish there were photos to clear it up.

Posted by: Heart-Of-Texas Location: Waco on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM
It was just a loop on a rope,, not a noose anyhow,,and who ever made it wasn't from around here??? Most(?) people from around here know how to make a 'real' noose!!! Back-To-The-Future!!

Posted by: susiebw on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:39 AM
This whole incident was totally un-necessary. People need to stop looking for something to get "outraged and offended" by, and worry about real problems, like abused children, hungry seniors, drug use by kids, drunk drivers etc. A rope in a tree is zilch in importance, (unless someone is actually hanging in one).

Posted by: WOW on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:06 AM
This sounds like a cover up to me. Way to go BAYLOR, instead of handling the situation we will just cover it up...people are not as stupid as you may believe.

Posted by: taxpayer Location: waco on Nov 14, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Of course KWTX and Baylor are in cahootz (sp.?) together. Just look at all the ex KWTX reporters/anchors that now hold high ranking positions at Baylor. Very small town mentality here folks!!

Posted by: Marlin Location: Texas on Nov 14, 2008 at 09:16 AM
Sounds to me like this was another case of a school seeing "racism" everywhere they look, until it is found out that the administration made fools of themselves. Then they organize a "UNITY" march, make speaches about how Kumbaya everyone is, and hope no one screams racism again for a week or two. Look what the Duke University did to those three white guys because some black hooker thought that she could make some money sueing rich whitey. Didn't work, but she got Jesse Jackson to pay for her college "in a show of solidarity", she didn't get prosecuted either, I wonder why, oh she's black! The young men who were accused spent millions defending themselves against lies and in the end, where do they go to get thier reputations back? Blacks there STILL claim they raped the hooker! IS BAYLOR GOING TO GO THE SAME WAY DUKE DID? ARE THEY GOING TO SCREAM RACISM ANY TIME A PERSON OF "COLOR" (white is a color!) MAKES RACIST ACCUSATIONS WHETHER FOUNDED OR NOT? Sounds like it to me.....

Posted by: CARLOS Location: WACO, TEXAS on Nov 14, 2008 at 09:12 AM
We can thank the media for fueling the fire. Negativity sells newspapers and makes headlines much more than positive things.

Posted by: Lisa Location: Waco on Nov 14, 2008 at 09:11 AM
It actually makes more sense that the kids were goofing around and were too lazy to take the rope down from the tree. I just wonder why it took a week for the explanation to come out. This made national news, but the explanation will not.

Posted by: whatever Location: waco on Nov 14, 2008 at 09:02 AM
Thats bull... How come it shows up on election day.. They should be kicked out but let me guess the white protect the white cause if they were black it would have been a whole other story and would not have got no second chance!!!

Posted by: MIKE on Nov 14, 2008 at 08:15 AM
Well im glad to see someone came forward to explain to everyone why the rope was in the tree, black people jump to conclusions on racism every chance they get and we are the one's who suffer from it. People need to understand no matter what the white people do, black people will never be able to let go of the past and that alone will never bring unity.

Posted by: BU Alum Location: Waco on Nov 14, 2008 at 08:13 AM
I have been a dedicated kwtx watcher for years, but you officially lost my support last night when you promo-ed this story before 10 o'clock. Gordon Collier said that students had come forward saying it was a swing, not a noose, but then finishing with -- "but 'who' believes them?" implying to all your viewers that it was a lie! I want a news station that gives me the news with a (at least relatively) unbiased prospective, not one that tries to stir up more controversy. (Especially where none existed in the first place!!) Apparently Channel 10 cannot meet such a simple expectation - I'm changing the channel.

Posted by: Wacoan Location: Waco on Nov 14, 2008 at 05:00 AM
I think they attempted to make a swing, but the rope wasn't long enough so they fashioned it to put a foot into. PEOPLE DON'T BE SO QUICK TO JUDGE. You don't have all the facts so don't go running off half cocked screaming RACISM. Obama can say typical white woman, but if a white person says typical black person we are RACIST. Why should we have to live in fear of what we say or do because someone is gonna scream RACIST. Get over yourself people.

Posted by: A. Nonymous Location: Hewitt TX on Nov 13, 2008 at 09:58 PM
So much for investigative reporting. Do your producers really think it prudent to run a 'soft' piece on the possible racial issues at Baylor; then run a piece twice as long about the men's ball team doing post-hurricane construction work that somehow turns into a team-building piece? Is KWTX on the Baylor payroll? As professionals in your field you should be ashamed and embarassed. The least you could have done is stopped the 'Ball team' piece and not given the university any more press for the evening.

Posted by: I'll buy some ocean front property on MLK too Location: Penland Hall on Nov 13, 2008 at 07:38 PM
Sure, we buy that story. Is Dave Bliss and Stanton running the PR department at BAYLOR ?

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Waco on Nov 13, 2008 at 07:28 PM
Blah Blah Blah! Leave it to Baylor Admin. to make a big deal out of nothing. What's the saying.....mountain out of a molehill?

Posted by: william Location: waco on Nov 13, 2008 at 06:56 PM
The student must have come from up North, down here we put our butts in a swing not our necks.

Posted by: Patriot Location: Texas on Nov 13, 2008 at 05:37 PM
An unfortunate misunderstanding? Sounds like false allegations to me. Racism goes both ways. Good luck Baylor with your campus unity. This whole stupid thing should have never been "news".

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