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Matt Baker Trial Blog Tuesday Jan. 19

3:44 p.m. The judge asks Baker's attorney Guy James Gray about when he anticipates concluding his case. Gray says that he anticipates finishing tomorrow (Wednesday), but that he has to make the decision about a final witness.

3:42 p.m. The state rests its case. The judge recesses for the day.

3:40 p.m. Gray is now asking Natarajan questions.

3:37 p.m. Back from Recess. Prosecutor Crawford Long is asking about lividity, and why its more intense in Kari's left arm over her right arm.

3:10 p.m. Judge Strother calls a short recess.

3:07 p.m. The M.E. says the injuries that Kari Lynn had on her nose are consistent with those found on people who have been smothered.

3:10 p.m. Judge Strother calls a short recess.

3:07 p.m. The M.E. says the injuries that Kari Lynn had on her nose are consistent with those found on people who have been smothered.

3:04 p.m. Natarajan says he examined photos and saw a defect in Kari Lynn's nose. Now the M.E. (medical examiner) is explaining the difference between suffocating and strangulation. (Natarajan did not perform the autopsy. He just consulted the state based on photos provided to him.)

2:57 p.m. Natarajan is still on the stand, he defines lividity, and rigor mortis. Natarjan says there is more lividity in one arm than another.

2:48 p.m. Dr. Natarajan says based on photos and drawing put together, there are several abrasions on Kari Lynn's nose.

2:46 p.m. Exhibit 59, a picture of Kari's nightstand, its the picture of those wine coolers, that note, and the pills, is being shown to the jury.

2:43 p.m. Natarajan is now showing drawings based on photos taken that night. The photos are to illustrate lividity in Kari's arms.

2:39 p.m. Natarajan is now showing pictures of the autopsy. He is explaining where he sees lividity, which has been talked about a lot during the trial.

2:34 p.m. Natarajan is showing the jury some blown up pictures of the bedroom taken the night Kari died. Natarajan says the photos have been enhanced.

2:28 p.m. On the stand, Natarajan says he looked at the photos taken at the scene, along with the reports and put together "a series of exhibits."

2:27 p.m. Natarajan says he has looked at a number of items and reports associated with Kari Lynn's death.

2:23 p.m. Natarajan is talking about his job duties. He says he has done between 2,000-3,000 autopses.

2:19 p.m Sridhar Natarajan, Chief Medical Examiner for Lubbock County, is now on the stand.

2:11 p.m. Bulls said that Baker told her that God had forgiven her. Bulls is off the stand. She left the courtroom surrounded by deputies and didn't answer any questions.

2:05 p.m. Gray asks how Bulls how she got the song. She said she opened it on her home computer, and the computer is gone. She says the computer got old, and was since replaced.

2:02 p.m. Shafer hands Bulls the lyrics to the All-American Rejects song, and now the lyrics are displayed to the courtroom. Bulls reads the lyrics out loud.

2:00 p.m. Shafer is going over her testimony with Bulls. Bulls tells the jury she knew beforehand what was going on, and that "she didn't tell anyone about it, like I should have." She says that Baker sent her the lyrics to an All-American Rejects song, "Dirty Little Secret." Bulls then told the jury the chorus to the song.

1:58 p.m. Bulls says she was never honest in all of her interviews with police. Bulls says she was afraid, afraid that she would be implicated. Bulls says Baker told her "she was stuck for life" because she knew about it.

1:56 p.m. Bulls back on the stand. Prosecutor Susan Shafer is now asking Bulls questions. Shafer is asking Bulls about Kari's cell phone and when she knew that it was Kari's phone.

1:49 p.m. The judge is asking for more clarity, lawyers from both sides are now talking about when/how Baker told Bulls about that night. Gray says Bulls testified that she learned in person from Baker on the Wednesday after Kari Lynn's death, and Gray says she also said she learned the details during a phone call from a pay phone.

1:38 p.m. Back from lunch recess. Judge Ralph Strother is talking with lawyers outside the presence of the jury. At issue, statements that Vanessa Bulls made about the use of a cell phone that at one time belonged to Kari Lynn.

12:00 p.m. Gray done with cross-examination. Bulls ushered from courtroom by deputies. Court in recess until 1:30p.m.

11:42 a.m. Bulls says she has nothing to gain from this, that she may get fired, that everyone is looking "bad at her" and that she is doing this so that Baker can't hurt me or anyone else again. She again called Baker manipulative man wearing the mask of God.

11:39 a.m. Bulls says Baker will never admit guilt, even if he is found guilty in the trial, he won't admit guilt.

11:38 a.m. Gray asks if she admits or denies a conversation about wearing a wire, she says she doesn't remember, but she does remember talking about recording a phone call. That recording never took place.

11:37 a.m. Bulls says she never felt pressure from investigators to testify, she said she was "never put under the light."

11:35 a.m. Gray is asking Bulls to remember details of her interviews with investigators. Bulls says she was never asked if she was part of it, but she believed investigators knew that she knew how Baker did it.

11:34 a.m. Bulls says that her understanding of her immunity is that anything she says in court cannot be used against her.

11:32 a.m. Bulls says she was "untruthful" with investigators about how Baker killed his wife. She said she was "still holding it in."

11:26 a.m. Gray continues asking Bulls about her comments to investigators.

11:21 a.m. Gray is asking Bulls if she was afraid when she was with Matt at the jewelry store, if she was afraid when they went to a hotel in Temple. Gray is asking Bulls detailed questions about her testimony. For many of the questions, Bulls says she can't remember.

11:13 a.m. Gray asks who she has been talking to in preparing to testify, Bulls says she has just talked to herself, and the truth.

11:11 a.m. Bulls says she went to Baker's home about 2 or 3 times before Kari's death. She says only once did she pull into the Baker garage and shut the door.

11:07 a.m. Gray starts asking her detailed questions, and Bulls says with the passage of time, this being 4 years ago, she can't remember many details of the night of the party.

11:05 a.m. The judge calls the jury back in. Bulls is still on the stand. It’s now time for Guy James Gray to cross-examine Bulls.

10:06 a.m. Judge takes a recess.

10:04 a.m. On the stand, Bulls said that a birthday party for Baker's daughter about two weeks after Kari's death she noticed there was pictures of her and her girls up on the fridge. Bulls said that night, as all the girls were watching a movie, she and Matt were sitting on the couch. Bulls said Baker put a pillow on his lap and told her to rest, so she put her head on his lap.

10:01 a.m. On March 25, 2009 Bulls said she was subpoenaed and was granted testimonial immunity and testified to the grand jury. Bulls said she told the grand jury that Matt killed his wife for her, but she didn't admit the affair, didn't admit knowing about Matt's plan for Kari. She said in a later interview at her attorney's office in Belton, she admitted to the affair.

9:58 a.m. Bulls said she was contacted by an investigator for the defense, and then later by Guy James Gray (Baker's defense lawyer) but that she denied the affair. She said she denied the affair, and knowing about the affair in another interview with DA investigators at the McLennan County Sheriff's Office.

9:58 a.m. Bulls testified that Baker told her to leave everything and come to Kerrville, and she said she told Baker no.

9:54 a.m. Bulls said during an August phone call she told Baker she was going to call Hewitt Police and she said Baker told her she better not do that.

9:53 a.m. Bulls said she received a phone call from a payphone. She said she received the "creepiest phone call of my life." She said it was Baker, and she said he had such a calm voice, and asked how she was doing. Bulls said she told Baker to her himself in, and that Baker told her "God has forgiven me." Bulls said that Baker told her it was a "complete nightmare" and that the story was in the paper in Kerrville.

9:50 a.m. In August of 2006, Bulls said she was interviewed at Hewitt Police Department, she said she was interviewed by detectives but lied about the affair, about knowing about Kari's death, and knowing anything because she was afraid she would get in trouble.

9:49 a.m. During that conversation, Bulls said she heard a car door close and asked Baker where he was, and he said he was at the cemetery because he wanted to see if "they had messed with" Kari's grave.

9:47 a.m. Bulls said she was at the Starbucks at Temple and called Baker and told her she didn't want to see him again. She said Baker told her, "I killed my wife for you and now you are leaving" over and over again.

9:46 a.m. By July of 2006, Bulls said she was getting tired of the situation. She said she had enormous guilt, and said she started learning about his past. Bulls said she was afraid if she went to police no one would believe her.

9:45 a.m. Bulls said that Baker told her that he "got rid" of the computer at Crossroads because he did Internet searches about drugs on it. Bulls also said that he donated his home computer and printer to his dad in Kerrville.

9:42 a.m. Bulls said that at one point after Kari's death, Baker told her the girls wanted to get her an engagement ring, so they went to Kay's Jewelers in the mall. Bulls said she overheard Baker asking a salesperson if he could trade in a ring and get a discount. The prosecution asked if Baker was talking about Kari Lynn's ring, and Bulls testified yes, he was talking about trading in Kari's ring for one that she wanted.

9:40 a.m. After Baker told her this, Bulls felt she was stuck. She felt that he was a preacher, and no one would believe her. Bulls says she wasn't in love with him, but she felt safe. When asked if she felt in danger, Bulls said Baker told her he would be so happy with her.

9:39 a.m. Bulls says he told her he then went out to rent a movie and get gas.

9:37 a.m. Bulls testified after she died he went to the home computer, wrote a note, then took her hand and made sure her finger-prints were all over the note.

9:37 a.m. Bulls said Baker told her Kari Lynn woke up though, and he put the pillow back on her face and cupped his hand under his nose.

9:36 a.m. Bulls said Baker told her after kissing her, and telling her to say hi to Kassidy for me then put a pillow on her face and suffocated her.

9:35 a.m. Bulls said Baker told her he bought sexual stimulus pills, emptied them, put Ambien he got from Linda Dulin's home in her pills.

9:34 a.m. Bulls said that Baker told her he would tell her about that night, would only tell her once, but would never tell her again.

9:32 a.m. Bulls said on that Wednesday, after Kari's death, she went to the Baker home, and said that Baker told her "you know you are stuck with me, you knew about it so you are just as much guilty." Bulls said that Baker said if she were to ever say anything no would believe her because he was a preacher.

9:31 a.m. Bulls said when she heard from her mom that Kari Lynn had died, she was surprised because a part of her thought that Matt would never go through with it.

9:29 a.m. On the stand, Bulls testified on April 7th Baker called her and told her Kari Lynn was very depressed. Bulls said based on a previous conversation she knew that Baker was going to try and slip some pills into Kari Lynn's drink.

9:28 a.m. Bulls said if he couldn't get the drugs online he could go to Linda Dulin's (Kari Lynn's mom) house and get the drugs there.

9:27 a.m. Bulls said Baker said there would be no question that Kari Lynn committed suicide since she was so depressed.

9:26 a.m. Bulls said that about two weeks before Kari Lynn died, Baker emailed her and told her that he had made a milkshake, but that Kari Lynn only took a sip, saying that Kari Lynn said it tasted like "lead."

9:25 a.m. Bulls said Baker even drove to "the bad part" of town to try and buy roofies (the so-called date-rape drug).

9:23 a.m. Bulls said Baker started talking about ways to sneak sleeping pills into a drink for Kari Lynn, perhaps to stage a hanging, cut the brakes on her car, or a drive-by shooting.

9:22 a.m. Bulls said that Baker told her that he couldn't get a divorce because he was a preacher, and there would probably be a custody battle for the girls.

9:21 a.m. Bulls says Baker is a "manipulative liar who took me in my vulnerable state."

9:19 a.m. Bulls says Baker told her was tired of being with the "fat bitch" and wanted her out of his life. Bulls said Baker told her that in late March the depression was getting worse and she was taking sleeping pills.

9:18 a.m. Bulls says in early March, during one of those sessions, Matt tried to kiss her. Bulls says he then led her into the master bedroom and they had sex. Bulls says she was remorseful, and Baker told her she didn't need to feel bad, and that it was ok.

9:16 a.m. Bulls says in early March she started going to Baker's house on Friday. Bulls says Kari Lynn was working at the time, and the kids were at school. Bulls says the first time she went there she parked on the street, and the 2nd time she started parking in the garage. Bulls says the meetings started just talking about the divorce.

9:14 a.m. Bulls says the counseling conversations started getting flirtacous. Bulls says that Baker started saying stuff like "I don't know why a guy would divorce you." Bulls said Baker told her that he was off on Friday, and perhaps they could counseling in person. Bulls said that Baker told her that because of his wife's depression his love life was lacking with his wife and that he didn't feel "loved" by her.

9:13 a.m Bulls says based on seeing Kari Lynn at church she never got the impression that she was depressed. Bulls said she wasn't particularly close with Baker.

9:12 a.m. Bulls says the conversations started in February of 2006.

9:11 a.m. Bulls says Baker talked about the death of his daughter Kassidy daily during those conversations. Bulls said that Baker told her that Kari Lynn was so depressed, that she was a "horrible mother" and that she locked herself in her room when she came home.

9:09 a.m. Bulls says one day Baker called her home during the day, and she answered. Bulls testified that Baker called to leave a message for her dad, who was music director at the church. During the conversation, Bulls told Baker that she stayed at home during the day with her child and went to school at night. After that, Bulls said Baker called the home at least once a day, sometimes twice a day. Bulls said after that, Baker started counseling her on her recent divorce.

9:07 a.m. Bulls say Baker came up to her at one church function and asked if she would date her pastor. Bulls testified that Baker told her he had a vasectomy and didn't have an STDs. Bulls said she asked Baker if he had done this before, referring to having an affair, and Bulls said Baker said, "no comment."

9:06 a.m. Bulls says she was going through a divorce, and talking about not being ready to date other guys. She said Baker overheard and said "don't date other guys, just date your Pastor."

9:05 a.m. Bulls says at first she didn't really talk with Matt Baker. Bulls says in December of 2005, Baker sat down and started talking with her. Bulls says Baker at the time told her, that whoever she dated "would be a lucky man."

9:04 a.m. Vanessa Bulls talks about her background, says she was raised a strict Southern Baptist, graduated from Univeristy of Mary-Hardin Baylor in Belton.

9:02 a.m. The state calls Vanessa Bulls to the stand.

8:59 a.m. The state calls Janet Niemeyer to the stand. Niemeyer is a computer techician for Midway ISD. Niemeyer says she set up the computer and printer in Kari Lynn Baker's classroom at Spring Valley. Niemeyer says at the time there were no inkjet printers on the campus. The significance of this is that investigators believe the note left on Kari Lynn Baker's nightstand was printed on an inkjet printer.

8:58 a.m. Judge Strother is talking with the jury. The judge tells the jury the reason for the delay is legal and evidenciary issues.

8:56 a.m. Judge Strother has called for the jury. The courtroom is packed today, more crowded then its been all trial.

8:50 a.m. Prosecutors, defense lawyers, and Matt Baker have all gone into 19th District Judge Ralph Strother's office


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